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What are your thoughts on the dream act?

The one that is letting illegal aliens legally work and get drivers license and protect them from being deported.
 

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The POTUS has decided in order to get votes, he uses his power to legalize an illegal act in order to increase his changes of receiving more votes in the upcoming election. It is about as dirty as one can get and just gives us more reasons to not only kick him out of his position, but to kick him out of this great (although declining rapidly with him at the helm) country. IMHO!
 

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Funny, because to come visit the USA, I have to have a legal passport, and drivers lic. And not stay over 6 months. And I am going to be spending a lot of money on my holiday there next year. But if I had a criminal record, or if Mandy did, we couldn't even go visit. Our friends got turned back from a vissit to Seattle for a week to shop, despite a booked hotel room, both are professionals etc. Because 36 years ago he got busted for smoking a joint at a concert. They were turned around at the border and told to go home. Still cost them a pile for the cancellation fee at the hotel to. It is ludicrous though, that you can sneak in, and be accepted, get a job etc.
 

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First let me say that yes, Obama did it to get votes. And most people don't even know he did it by Executive Order. Mr. Transparency didn't let us vote on it, again.
I don't care where you stand on immigration issues, I think it was wrong to do that in itself.
It's just like him doing a 180 on gay marriage, during election season. I don't care what your view is about gay marriage either, he did it to manipulate voters. He is really good at his lies and deceptions.
That said, I'm actually for the Dream Act.
Scenario: Woman goes to Mexico. At an orphanage she finds a little three year old girl that needs adopting. She starts the paperwork in both the US and Mexico. Mexico makes it near impossible without paying a lot of money to grease palms. US makes it near impossible because of red tape and huge expenses. Woman hires attorney. Attorney is only a money pit with the same results.
Woman brings child into US illegally. Child grows up speaking English, attending US schools, gets good grades, never gets in trouble, graduates high school, goes to two year college gets AS Degree.
Now said child cannot get a driver license, job, or go to a university on her scholarship because she is not documented due to no fault of her own.
I'm curious.... what should she do, go back to Mexico where she has no documentation also?
The Dream Act allows for this kind of problem. It doesn't give amnesty to people that crossed the border illegally on their own. They must be under 30 years old, have attended school here, no criminal record AT ALL, and proof they have lived here for more than five years.
Your thoughts?

Here... I'll put the face to the story........

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If we start letting every child the gets carried across the border stay and be legal because it is not their fault. Then more and more will make sure to bring them across because they know they will be safe. It sucks but we can't start making exceptions because of pitty .

Why don't these people stay and try to fix their own country like we do instead of fleeing when times get tough.
 

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But the point is, what is the kid supposed to do?
I agree the parents are asshats and should be punished, but it literally is out of the control of the child.
 

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HERE is where I DO have a problem with the Dream Act....
On purpose, Obama omitted the clause that said the parents could not use the child for an "anchor baby" or receive benefits because of the minor children that are now Permanent Residents. Not citizens to be clear.
So now if your kid qualifies, and they are under twenty six, they are your dependent, and as a Permanent Resident, you are entitled to welfare and Medicare benefits under the law. Nice eh? It was a scam to get votes. It could have included the omission clause.
 

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The kid unfortunately will have to go back to whatever country it is a legal citizen of. Live life like the rest of the world. Just because you sneak into a country doesn't mean you can stay, no matter you're age. Obviously these kids have parents somewhere.
 

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The kid unfortunately will have to go back to whatever country it is a legal citizen of. Live life like the rest of the world. Just because you sneak into a country doesn't mean you can stay, no matter you're age. Obviously these kids have parents somewhere.
Did you read the story I posted? She was in an orphanage, dropped off in the middle of the night with no documentation at all. She is not a Citizen of either country since there is no proof she was born in Mexico, Germany, the US, etc...
Where is she to go? The woman that brought her here is a born US citizen that broke the law twenty years ago. Statute of limitations protects her. Yes she is an asshat, I'll be the first one in line to punch her in the face.
But that doesn't solve the child's problem. She's a child with no country. Where do we send her, realistically? She can't get a job legally and become productive. She has no intention of taking her free education and using it in another country. She is not a criminal. She is a really good person and deserves the best.
Other than the Dream Act, what can she do? Remain illegal the rest of her life?
 

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She is a totally different case and has very little to do with the dream act. She was obviously dropped off at an orphanage in some country which is probably where she is legal. I wouldn't have a kid in Germany then fly to Mexico to drop my kind off. The orphanage also should have taken care of her paperwork.

She is more of a kidnapping case then anything else.
 

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She is a totally different case and has very little to do with the dream act. She was obviously dropped off at an orphanage in some country which is probably where she is legal. I wouldn't have a kid in Germany then fly to Mexico to drop my kind off. The orphanage also should have taken care of her paperwork.

She is more of a kidnapping case then anything else.
Agreed, but she falls into the Dream Act guidelines. So what would you have her do?
 

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She should have already been taken care of since she was a kidnapping victim.

I personally think she would become an american citizen only because she has no idea anything or anyone else. She has no parents or family to go home to.

You cannot start letting thousands of people in just because one girl was ubducted many years ago. That is not what the dream act was written for. It is an unfortunate circumstance for her. Maybe they should get someone that can help her be here legally?

Anyone can come here legally.

To me the dream act says if you can get here without getting caught and hide for 5 years then you have passed the tests it takes to stay here. I for one know they do not do nearly enough to deport people and if you get arrested being here illegally they give you a slap on the wrist and let you go when you should be deported.
 

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OK so take another scenario then:
Kid is ten years old. Parents smuggle him across the border illegally. The enroll him in school (which is wrong to begin with, shouldn't be allowed), he graduates high school, no criminal activity, goes to college, gets degree, now wants a job etc... but cannot get one because of legal status.
All the kid knows is the US. At ten he don't have much memory of where he came from. All he wants to do is become a productive citizen in the US.
Would he be an asset? Yes, Educated law abiding people are an asset. Should he be forced to go back to his birth country? Tough decision, he only knows this country and it's his parents fault he's here, not his.
If he serves in the military should he become a citizen? Of course.
Think of it this way.....
If all these people that qualify came here by the fault of their illegal alien parents, they have to document that information. Not there is a registry of illegal alien parents that a President with balls can go after and deport.
I do not like illegals coming here and that is an entirely different subject than this one. I understand their plight.
 

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So we should deport the parents of said minor and let him stay?

Why not deport the whole family to where he can go and come back the legal way. I find it hard to make illegal things legal because of stupidity.
 

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So we should deport the parents of said minor and let him stay?

Why not deport the whole family to where he can go and come back the legal way. I find it hard to make illegal things legal because of stupidity.
That would make too much sense. Don't forget we have a politically correct panzy ass nanny government now. So that will never happen.
The Dream Act is stupid in the fact that it is a stand alone bill. Comprehensive immigration reform is needed badly. But the POTUS is too lazy and too afraid of losing votes in his first term to do anything solid like that.
I like what Romney has in mind, but he won't do it either. They all fear political opinion and the activists.
 

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There is an activist for everything you do now days. We just need to shoot all the activist and we will be all good.
 

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Another one. What do we do with the children and young adults that come here illegally without their parents voluntarily? Do we let them stay because of the dream act? All they have to say is that they were brought here, there is no way of proving anything.

I knew a few people that came here in their teens without their parents and went to school and were good people. Should we let them stay because they fit the criteria?
 

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Not to side with Rik, but I think anyone anywhere in the world should be able to live wherever they want without getting mobbed by politicians.

For instance, if i want to pack up and move to Mexico, why do i pay a 50% tax on my net worth to do it?

BS man.
 
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